Utopia & Utopian Thinking
Thanks, Wikipedia for this definition of Utopia: Utopia, in its most common and general positive meaning, refers to the human efforts to create a better, or perhaps perfect society. Ideas which could be/are considered able to radically change our world are often called utopian ideas.
"Utopian" in a negative meaning is used to discredit ideas as too advanced, too optimistic or unrealistic, impossible to realize. Hence, for example, the use by Marxists, of such expressions as "utopian socialism".
It has also been used to describe actual communities founded in attempts to create such a society. Although some authors have described their utopias in detail, and with an effort to show a level of practicality, the term "utopia" has come to be applied to notions that are too optimistic and idealistic for practical application.
posted by Blogging4Food at 7:27 AM
7 Comments:
I agree 100% with the definition of Utopian here. My view is that a Utopia is a place where the mind rots.
That has been my own definition of Utopia for many years.
I also agree that Marxism was and is a kind of Utopian muddling dream.
I would expand that to include Capitalism also, and socialism and most other utopian forms of political government.
Technocracy is an altogether different animal.
It is not a political system.
That is a fact.
Technocracy differs from any type of Utopian construct. It is not Utopian in nature at all. It was thought out by people that were totally invested in the scientific method.
It is practical. Not even a remote reference to Utopia has ever been made by mainstream technocracy advocates.
None.
I suggest any here read our original 1934 Technocracy Study Course.
Our program has not changed , and this is the best introduction to it.
What we actually have now is a patchwork of strange utopias that rule our thinking and actions in this society.
The aim of Technocracy is to provide maximum freedom and abundant living minus all these negative belief systems that are Utopian in nature.
Utopian idealists are not the ones who are attracted to the technocratic movement.
Mostly they are scientists, philosophers, artists. People that have peeled the layers of disinformation of Utopian schemes from themselves and want to create a practical, sensible, life enhancing society.
They are still slowly rebuilding our site out in Washington, but again I think it would be interesting for some of you to go there and look at our board and helpers.
Do they look like a bunch of starry eyed oddballs or misfits.?
www.technocracyinc.org
Most scientists are not interested in Utopias, and that is a fact.
I would have thought that most interesting blog comment by Communistrobot, Brian Peterson would have been a good illustration as to the type and quality of the people who are attracted to the Technocracy movement. Mostly they are intelligent , sincere people who want to try and save us from the destruction that is coming to all in a nonsensical Utopian system like we have.
Wednesday, 13 September, 2006
Could we change the wording of this blog in the heading.?
It really is not fair.
If you claim to be fair and balanced , how is it that you call yourself the anti-technocracy blog. That is a rejection out of hand , and limits the discussion here at some point.
Simple matter to go with , Questioning Technocracy, or Technocracy real or imagined , or Is Technocracy a good thing, I could go, on but I think you get the idea.
My guess would be that the site would be taken more seriously with a very slight name change. Thanks.
Wednesday, 13 September, 2006
Sounds to me, pretty utopian. A utopia is a perfect society with no road map showing how to get there from here. I see no road map.
Wednesday, 13 September, 2006
Have you looked.?
Do you know that there is a large movement of people that are working in that direction.?
Do you know any thing about anything besides silly politicians?
Are you aware that money or politicians will not solve our current problems.
Are you aware that the clock is ticking for our system to collapse.? Do you understand that you are brainwashed with a set of beliefs that do not relate much to the reality of the situation.?
Do you understand that our present system ,that you mistakenly think is a Democracy, is actually run by the corporations and has been since about 1948.
Are you aware that our system is 70% service industry, and that those jobs are mostly going to be replaced by mechanization, and that the connection between so called work and value and meaning does not apply any more in a scarcity based price system.?
Are you aware that when a politician tries to glorify his father that worked in a mill for long hours for decades and suffered and persevered any way, is totally out of touch with today`s singularity world of technology , and that person is only trying to play on the class , caste fears of a gullible public that does not actually understand that those types of jobs will never exist again, and if they do, they will use people instead of robots , why,? to keep a slave labor class and caste system going.?
Why.?
To perpetuate the every thing for me and nothing for you society that we live in now.
Did you know that John Edwards is by far one of the dumbest of the dumb when it comes to actually understanding where we are at this time period, and what it will take to survive.?
Sorry, but this is true. He is not an unintelligent person. Just brainwashed with values that are not true in our current society, and if we try and use those values,they will destroy us.
We have a whole series of plans for implementing the Technate.
I hope this is a reality check for you. You may as well find out more about us and try and help. We need more volunteers.
Our Technology Study Course is not a road map, it is our plan for a Technate. If you look into this subject you will find out a tremendous amount. Utopia, not.
Wednesday, 13 September, 2006
There is always that possibility as there would be any possibility. If it were to play out in that way it would be unfortunate.
They would be playing a serve and protect role, much like the police do in that case.
They may have to because of our present fascist coporate control of the levers of power in the U.S. and elsewhere.
While Technocracy will never use price system political methods, we do not rule out political action.
This would most likely take the form of protests, meetings with other groups for actions and so forth.
Technocracy worked very closely with the labor movement in the 30`s 40`s and 50`s. We supported them and many supported us.
This would be a natural fit now , and while the labor movement is largely defunct, it is possible to organize some of the remnants of it.
We also do a lot of recruiting on college campus`s . These young and open and curious people are good recruiting prospects, in the areas of science, technology, philosophy, and art in particular.
Thursday, 14 September, 2006
You all are going to give poor Skip a heart attack.
Thursday, 14 September, 2006
Hearts good Mr. B.Bum, Although I do admit to this being somewhat a confounding experience.
I do wish some of the players would do a whole lot of independent research on the subject.
I view this exercise though as important.
Reality is that I wish all persons here to understand the subject.
It is a tough subject for many because it is not what people are used to.
Friday, 15 September, 2006
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