Practical Question
Here's an article
Why Should I Believe It?
(or)
Eleven Reasons Technocracy Works
The author talks about certain economic conditions prevailing in his utopian "Technates", but shares no information as to how technates are established.
That is to say, how do you get there from here?
Sievert intimates you get there through over throwing liberal democratic constitutions, which is novel thought. Actually, not so much as a novel thought as an unenlightened one: people have been having revolutionary day dreams for several centuries now, without much progress in the betterment of society.
Assuming this utopia is worth the trip - a big assumption - there's got to be a path, right?
posted by Blogging4Food at 8:33 PM
12 Comments:
A "shining path"?
Saturday, 02 September, 2006
There are many educated fools, but no fools that are educated. Lots of brainwashed ones though.
One of the great American radicals of all time was Howard Scott. He more or less with a few other scientists came up with the Technocracy movement.
Contrary to the inane muddlings here, it has nothing even remotely to do with communism. It is purely American , and a very good way out of our predicament of this very corrupt , and not very creative society.
The most notable thing about you anti-technocracy people is that you know virtually nothing about it.
That's called ignorance.
Perhaps you should learn about the subject first.
The impression given here is that you are anti-intellectual , and against people with ideas.
If you care to know more about the technocratic movement here are some site.
www.technocracyinc.org
www.technocracyvan.ca
www.technocracynow.org
Google, Forward Guard
Shining path , ? Hardly not even remote. Just a secular humanistic chance . You have to be anti- science to be anti- technocracy.
And I thought the right wing sites were bad.
The best cure for ignorance is education. You are in need of education.
Thursday, 07 September, 2006
Let me add that Utopia is not , has not, and never was a subject that Technocracy ever talked about. Most people when they understand our program realize that it is based on very basic and practical ideas. It is scientific and practical. No mention of anything even remotely Utopian in our format. In fact just the opposite. Any thing alive changes. Utopia is where the brain rots. Not our style at all. I hope you explore , and actually do some reading on the subject.
Thursday, 07 September, 2006
So, I am still interested in how you get from here to there? How do you get to a technate, if not through revolution?
Thursday, 07 September, 2006
We think the system will fail on its own and become really unworkable. In a period such as that , which also happened during the 30`s a tremendous amount of effort was made by people to figure out what was happening and why. That was the last time we were a big social movement.
We think that a period like that will occur again and most likely soon. Scott had a saying that, " Social change occurs in direct proportion to the back of the stomach , approaching the front of the spine."
Because our system seems to have failed in so many ways, and the direction seems to be going toward more failure and worse failure, our Price System would seem to us to be on a collision course up ahead. As a research and educational group , we are trying to inform the public that we do not have to live the way we are living. That many people have been tricked into believing that this is the only, and best choice which we don`t think is true. We believe that no system can expand forever. Our system requires that. Reality will show us differently, and when population, and resources have been squandered in only , and just an attempt to make money, we have a major problem on our hands.
As far as a revolution , I wish. That would be great. The actual group Technocracyinc`s role will be over when , and if a technate is established in the future. Our role is over then. Our role is to alert people as to the possibility of changing into a good society.
Some in our groups are more militant than others. We think there is a possibility that the military may rescue the country one day perhaps, from the politicians. The old Fema system that Bush got rid of was one possible entrance for a technate. That is why he got rid of it, most likely for the coming calamity. He wants to remain in charge. In the old fema system , which by the way was set up by mostly technocrats in the late 40`s the head of Fema pulled the plug on the white house and congress for at least 6 month during a national emergency. He or she would be in charge . This was set up that way because a national emergency due to the faults of our price system is inevitable. During that time of national emergency according to the old fema system rents, utilities, mortgages, and so forth would be suspended, and the head of fema would be in charge. That is why Bush put fema under homeland defense so that he , or the white house would have control of it.
I hope this does not sound conspiratorial to you , if you check on these things you will see that what I am saying is true. I am not a conspiracy buff at all. Just the facts.
Any way now that Bush has gotten rid of Fema , it is well known within the establishment that he plans to carry on , no matter what happens with the war, crashing economy, civil unrest, etc. in order to keep the current price system, which has little to do with our current government system, going to his benefit, and to all the peoples benefit that have a little money. This is not really a conspiracy, as many of these people are ignorant of the big picture , and are just along for the ride, and just want to keep making money. They are not evil. Just being rewarded for their bad behavior. The rules of the game. In a price system there is not much choice . You have to make money or starve.
That original Fema system that I have mentioned , and that has been scuttled and basicly destroyed now , was set up to protect the American people. Now that protection has been taken away, and yes the military is very aware in the upper reach`s of the war college and elsewhere as to what Bush and his cohorts are up to.
And guess what.? The military might take Bush down in a not to pleasant way. We could be up for a coup . Why.? They aren`t stupid. We are indeed in a fascist authoritarian state now , run by the corporations. This is a fact. And yes they use lots of crooked religious people as their front people.
So there is a lot going on right now and I doubt if you are aware of half of it. I do find it interesting that you really do seem be interested in our movement now. I would like to do all I can to inform you about it. I do wish that you go to some of the sites I have mentioned and start to go to find information your self, and not just stuff like Sheridan. I give you credit though , you managed to come up with what on the surface sounds like an intelligent person in the person of Sheridan. No one in our movement takes him very seriously. When the Europeans who don`t know much, invited him to their conference , I made fun of them. Sheridan is an annoying but funny guy. I like him.
Friday, 08 September, 2006
Say that thing you put up by communist robot is pretty well done. I hadn`t seen that before.
I would guess that communist robot is a web handle like many, they don`t mean much. He may be a part of the techca movement. I don`t know a lot of those people, but I know some. Good article. Pretty accurate. This is pretty much what we are about. Say you know the word Communist Robot could just as easily be a play on words and a slam at communism. I am curious now. Why don`t you ask them there. Maybe you could ask him personally via email , or ask any one in the movement what their opinion of communism is.? I doubt very much if you would find even one person that would even abstractly identify themselves as a so called communist.
Friday, 08 September, 2006
I just now for fun went into communist robots site to see what was there. As I thought the whole communist robot name is only a warning against communism.~ ! ~ Really take a look. It is warning that communism could make a comeback, because of all the backward things we are doing as a culture.~ ! No I am not kidding blogger. Look into that site and click on communist robot and he goes into a very detailed description of why communism is a thing to avoid at all costs.
So , I hope you will look at that. I hope also that you are now interested a little more in the movement, and I hope you now realize that it is not even remotely communist. Your example you gave which I have now disproved I hope you will look into. You may also have noticed how smart this guy is. There is a whole subgroup of Robot people , or people with that interest in Technocracy.
Friday, 08 September, 2006
I'm still responding to Vigil's suggestion of a 'shining path'. You are in denial, perhaps. You have not rejected a revolutionary path out of hand, although you do allow for the possibility that the 'old world' may fall of it's own wait, which Marxists said also, on occasion. But you can be a Marxist by another name, that's okay with me. I just think you're confining yourself inside a thoroughly debunked box, whatever you be about establishing - a soviet or a technate.
Friday, 08 September, 2006
Geez messenger , come on. I have answered these paricular questions now. Did you go into that interesting Communist Robot site and look what he wrote about Communism. This is another Technocrat who is very smart, and he has written a whole piece on being an anti-communist. Please look for yourself. The link is posted by blogger, not me. I did not know this guy.!
This would be typical of anyone in the Technocracy movement. We are just not related to Communism at all.
You may think Messenger that my activity is useless I know. You may think that I am some kind of odd idealist or something.
Not the case. I am not an idealist, I think these ideas will end up being considered practical if we survive as a different culture. I do not believe that this type of culture will survive. Why .? Because so much of it does not make any kind of sense.
Technocracy is a revolutionary idea, compared to what we have now. The idea of having a truley secular humanistic culture , that stress`s freedom and creativity, and gets rid of our class system of poverty and insane wealth, I am sure seems very odd compared to what we have. It is not a political system, and that is a very hard concept in our culture to wrap the mind around. It is Science based. It uses energy accounting and an energy debit system instead of money. I know that is a tough one to think about. Why not though.? It gets rid of graft and corruption. Permanently.
I do hope messenger that you will go around to some of our sites. Read this discription of technocracy that is given on this interesting site listed here by blogger, Communist Robot. It really gives a good discription of Technocracy. I looked up the guy , his name is Brian Petersen of California I believe. I sent him an email, and told him about some unrelated stuff other than this blog. I didn`t even mention this blog to him , but I may sometime. This kid or young person is very bright, and this is the type that we attract right now. Lots of people in science and tehnology fields. Also I might add people in the arts are interested in the movement. That is my field. A good balance altogether , maybe tipped a bit toward the sciences.
This person I will stress again because some of you just don`t want to understand this , made up that name Communist Robot to make a point of saying that communists are like Robots. He totaly said that we are in danger of a communist system if we persist in our current system, and this would be the worst disaster of all.~! Am I pretty clear on this.? I don`t really know how I could get this point across any more than I have.
Sorry no shining path. Just a bunch of geeky and arty people that want to save the world. Some a little militant. A number of old ladies in rocking chairs in our movement also. It has a huge cross membership of types, if I can use that word.
As far as you say a revolutionary path , yes I say- I wish. I am afraid for now our society is not the revolutionary type. It would be coopted by something or other.
Most of us think that it will keel over with a whimper, and in order to survive and create a good society our program of installation of the Technate will be the logical next step for evolution of a good and humanitarian culture, that we can finally be proud of.
A price system which is what we have depends on perpetual growth. We believe when the oil runs out soon, or some other thing happens, our growth society will fail, as it should. To much destruction for no other reason than to make money. That is chasing a mirage. A dead end that leads to resource destruction, and our own destruction for no really good reason except to make money and that is a abstract concept which is used to control and manipulate people in mosly negative ways. Think about that.
Friday, 08 September, 2006
Just to clear this up a little:
I was being a little ironic and facetious. I'm not trying to smear you technies as commies. I'm saying, that on the surface, Technates's wind has been stolen by the Soviets in the last century: a totally planned society required authoritarian - even totalitarian - coercion to keep everything with in the box.
You have a very tough sell. Keep your day jobs.
Sunday, 10 September, 2006
Thank you for the very interesting and thoughtful post Richard. You are an articulate person. I find your thoughts to be very accurate. I am glad you have found our movement and appreciate the fact that your native intelligence has led you to it.
I hope you keep up your excellent educational efforts. Your absolutely accurate in your appraisal of the situation. I find it really interesting about the large group of young and intelligent people that have come to the conclusion that Technocracy is a way out of the current dilemma which only gets worse as time goes on.
We certainly are looking for help in the movement , and your help is appreciated. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Sunday, 10 September, 2006
I just wanted to point out that you have misattributed this article. It's author is Bill DesJardins, the webmaster of www.technocracy.ca, where the article comes from. Why did you think that it was someone else? And also, why didn't you post a link to it so people can judge it for themselves and see what you are talking about? Lastly, your comment about the article not specifying how to implement these changes is interesting since it is stated quite clearly that that is not the intention of the article, and if you wish to learn more to continue learning about this topic.
Thursday, 21 December, 2006
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